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面对非议,瑞尔森大学取消小组讨论校园言论自由 [加拿大网评]

五毛网 其他 2017年09月13日 来源:龙腾网
瑞尔森大学最近取消了一个名为“大学被扼杀言论自由”的小组讨论活动。一些活动者认为该活动为法西斯主义者们提供了一个表达的平台,表示抗议。加拿大网友:瑞尔森大学应为向左派法西斯屈服而感到羞耻 ..如果演讲者没有“正确地思想”就不允许讨论言论自由……1984,我们来了……
Facing pushback, Ryerson University cancels panel discussion on campus free speech


Ryerson University has canceled a panel discussion called “The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses” following pushback from activists who said the event was giving a platform to fascists.


The event, which was set for August 22, was slated to feature controversial speakers including University of Toronto psychology professor Jordan Peterson, who rose to prominence after refusing to use students’ preferred pronouns, and journalist Faith Goldy, who works for the far-right Rebel Media. Behavioural scientist Gad Saad and psychologist Oren Amitay rounded out the roster.

这个活动原定于八月22日举行,并邀请了一些受争议的知名人物前来演讲,其中包括多伦多大学的心理学教授Jordan Peterson,因公开反对中性人称谓而备受关注的、以及为右翼反对派媒体工作的记者Faith Goldy。行为学家Gad Saad和心理学家Oren Amitay也在邀请名单之上。Jordan Peterson speaks to a group at the Carleton Place Arena on Thursday, June 15, 2017. Darren Brown / Ottawa Citizen/Ottawa Sun

2017.6.15,Jordan Peterson在卡尔顿竞技场发表演讲。

Ryerson Communications Director Michael Forbes cited safety concerns as the reason the event was shut down.

瑞尔盛大学的联络主管Michael Forbes称,该活动由于安全问题取消。

“After a thorough security review, the University has concluded that Ryerson is not equipped to provide the necessary level of public safety for the event to go forward,” he wrote in an emailed statement. “In light of recent events, Ryerson University is prioritizing campus safety.”


Christeen Elizabeth, one of the organizers of a planned rally against the event — “No Fascists in Our City!”, the Facebook event page for which originally featured a header photo of a crossed-out swastika, before the photo was changed Wednesday — said it was important to speak out against what she sees as violence against oppressed groups.

计划对该讨论会进行抗议活动的其中一位组织者,Christeen Elizabeth表示,“我们的城市不允许法西斯存在!“他们FaceBook的页面上以一个打了叉的万字旗作为头像,后来在周三换掉了它。Elizabeth在页面上声称,把所见的对被压迫群体施加的暴力公布出来,意义重大。

“Transphobia is violence, Islamophobia is violence. Violence is contextual,” she said. “We can’t be complicit in this.”


Elizabeth said activists inundated Ryerson with calls and emails protesting the panel. She said she also collaborated with the school’s student union, who added to the pressure.


It's a time to bloody well hope that everyone takes a deep breath and walks backwards a little bit from the edge of the abyss


Peterson said the cancellation is “an indication of the crazy absurdity that characterizes the current political situation. There’s an element of surrealism to it.”


But he has increased sympathy for a safety argument, he said, given the “inflamed rhetoric” the protesters used.


“I think there’s no excuse for what they’re doing, with the Nazi symbolism. It’s very, very dangerous to engage in that kind of casual vilification,” he said.


The group organizing the panel was thinking of delaying the event themselves because of the recent violence at the white supremacist march in Charlottesville.


“We’re drifting into a scenario of increased polarization, and it’s not an advisable time to contribute to that, wittingly or unwittingly,” Peterson said.


Elizabeth said she might have been a bit hasty to put the word “fascism” in the event title, but defended its use.


“The seeds of fascism, that’s how they start. It starts with this ‘othering’ of people,” she said. “Regardless of whether or not they themselves are preaching strict fascist ideology, who are they preaching to?”


Elizabeth said she has received death threats as a result of protesting the panel. She sent a screenshot of one of them to the National Post, which said, “Im coming after your kids you bitch. You just wait.” She said her step-mother has received similar threats.


“It really just goes to show what kind of calibre of people they are that they would do something like that,” Elizabeth said.


The seeds of fascism, that's how they start. It starts with this 'othering' of people


What happens next, Peterson said, “depends on how rapidly the positive feedback loop between extremists on both ends of the political spectrum expands, and how effectively sensible people in the middle are at dampening it.


“It’s like people are batting back and forth a bomb that gets bigger every time someone hits it,” he said. “They’re not attending to the fact that with each mischaracterization they alienate a larger part of the population. It’s a very bad idea.”


Peterson repeatedly echoed U.S. President Donald Trump’s assertion that ideologues on both sides were responsible for violence.


“It’s a time to bloody well hope that everyone takes a deep breath and walks backwards a little bit from the edge of the abyss,” he said, but noted that now was not the time to discuss the “sins of the radical left.”


“The time right now is for denunciation of what occurred in Charlottesville,” he said.


Though the panel is no more, Elizabeth is still planning a rally. She said she’s reaching out to labour groups and looking to change the tone from anti-fascism to pro-diversity — “sort of celebrating the people that this forum panel was targeting.”


Peterson said he’ll talk with the other would-be panelists about potentially using another venue, though he’s still not sure the timing is right for the talk.


“We’re going to figure out what we can do that’s least harmful,” he said.”Let’s start with that.”



Yu Brown · 12 hrs 
Perfect Example of the self-righteous dictatorship of the left. Silence a legitimate professor that holds “unacceptable” views.


The left quashing free speech, forcing media, companies and even universities to stifle dissent, be eco-chambers of the lefty ideology. And then they wonder why people radicalize!!
But … but … they “love freedom of speech” … lol … suuuuuure !


Tim Boyle · 11 hrs 
Agreed Yu, though it sounds like even Peterson was agreeing that now is not the time and Ryerson not the place to conduct the discussion. It is truly sad that although the Left appears well represented on the panel their activists seek not to win the debate but to end it peremptorily.


Kelly Stilling · 11 hrs 
Well said....C'mon people! Stifling speech is more Nazi/Marxist! Allow this man to speak and be free to debate, discuss & understand each other. Please don't destroy the freedom to think otherwise.


Claude DeRoche · 10 hrs 
My father got 13 bullets in his body in World War II
to combat these nazï b....ards why bring them back!


Brian Vaselenak · Fort McMurray, Alberta · 10 hrs 
So True Yu. The Loony Lefties hate Free Speech. Unless it suits their Agenda.


Vladimir Smejkal · 9 hrs
@Kelly Stilling Hitler was eventually allowed to speak and the rest is history...


Jesika Voit · Calgary, Alberta · 9 hrs 
Vladimir Smejkal you set a dangerous precedent comparing this to that of Nazi Germany. It shows your complete disregard for polarization and it's inherent impact on society.

Vladimir Smejkal你将这个事情与纳粹德国相提并论,是作了一个危险的先例。这显示了你对两极分化以及它对社会的内在影响的全然漠视。

Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 8 hrs 
Vladimir Smejkal That's why accepting it now is a mistake. Except for you Hitler types of course.

Vladimir Smejkal这就是这件事为什么不可接受的原因。当然了,除了你这种希特勒那一型的。

Norman Wells · 8 hrs
Claude DeRoche Which ones are you referring to?

Claude DeRoche 你说的纳粹混蛋具体是指?

Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 8 hrs 
Claude DeRoche "My father got 13 bullets in his body in World War II
to combat these nazï b....ards why bring them back!"
I reject completely that any rational person would admit to being your father. You have no idea who he is.

Claude DeRoche说,“我父亲在二战中中了十三枪。

Ceiteach Mac Mathúna · 2 hrs 
Claude DeRoche Have you even listened to any of the people on this panel speak before? If you are going to claim they are "Nazi ba...rds", please provide evidence to back up your claim, or else you are no better than having extreme Nazi values yourself...

Claude DeRoche,你之前听过这个讨论组的人说的什么吗?如果一定要把他们称为“纳粹杂种”的话,就拿出你自己的证据来,否则只是证明了你才是纳粹……

Cole Jones · Works at Paper Street Soap Company · 53 mins 
Claude DeRoche my grandfather fought the Nazis too you a$$. None of these people are Nazis.

Claude DeRoche,你这个*,我爷爷也打过纳粹,我可以担保这些人可不是纳粹。

Arturo Daly · 12 hrs 
Ha ha, we will shut down the voice of the fascists by being fascists before they can be fascists. The glaring hypocrisy of the hysterical left.


Claude DeRoche · 10 hrs 
We should not opress neo nazï white suprematists,
we need to jail them, no matter what the Hïtler/Putin lovers think.
No need to repeat the errors in Germany in the 30's.
We won World War II didn't we?
It's no secret that president Putin and president Bannon 
want to destroy the USA!


Glyn Lewis · Sherwood Park, Alberta · 11 hrs 
Claude DeRoche Adolf Hitler very effectively shut down freedom of speech, so why would we cheer it 80 years later.

Claude DeRoche ,因为阿道夫希特勒有效地控制了言论自由,所以我们80年后要庆祝他的倒台。

Rick Edmonds · 11 hrs 
Claude DeRoche take your meds and come back to reality.

Claude DeRoche,吃点药吧。

Kyle Anders · Waterloo, Ontario · 10 hrs 
Claude DeRoche spoken like a true fascist.

Claude DeRoche看起来就是个铁杆法西斯。

Richard McIntyre · Ottawa, Ontario · 10 hrs 
Claude DeRoche You're one gross, ugly cuck, Claude.

Claude DeRoche,你真是个恶心的傻鸟。

Winnie Holland · 9 hrs 
Claude DeRoche so the panellists are nazis?? You are delusional.

Claude DeRoche,认为讨论组成员都是纳粹?你真是个妄想狂。

Everett Duncan · Austin, Texas · 8 hrs 
Claude DeRoche Please seek out and return with anything, anything at all, offensive and disrespectful Peterson has said. Good luck with your journey.

Claude DeRoche,说话请拿出依据,什么依据都行,这可是那个混蛋Peterson说的,祝你好运。

Chris DiCesare · Hamilton, Ontario · 12 hrs 
this has nothing to do with 'othering' fascism or any other derogatory phrasing - this all about stifling political dissent that is critical of ideas of the protestors nothing more nothing less - I wonder if they see the irony of their actions - the viccrat is alive and welll at Ryerson, but as I have read recently Ryerson has a problem with tolerance of voices they dont agree with - seems our SJWs are terrified of independent thinking and articulation of ideas 
wonder if it isnt time to for an investigation into the fascism that exists in the adminsitration at Ryerson


Claude DeRoche · 11 hrs 
Hitler said exactly that in the 30's with a consequence.


Glyn Lewis · Sherwood Park, Alberta · 11 hrs 
@Claude DeRoche Hitler effectively shut down free speech!

@Claude DeRoche希特勒完全地掌控了言论!

Andrew Swan · 10 hrs 
@Claude DeRoche I do not believe Hitler said anything about the administration at Ryerson University. I hereby call your bluff, sir.

@Claude DeRoche 我倒不信希特勒对瑞尔森大学校方有什么看法,你在瞎吹。

John Edward · 10 hrs 
@Andrew Swan It's not a bluff, just a mindless troll being his usual a$$hole self.

@Andrew Swan 他不是在瞎吹,只是在进行一个脑残喷子的日常修养。

Everett Duncan · Austin, Texas · 8 hrs 
@Claude DeRoche Really?! Prove it, go ahead and give us that exact quote or translation. Good luck with that.

@Claude DeRoche 是吗?证明一下,去找些具体的证据回来吧,祝你好运。

Dennis Egan · Works at Freedom 55er · 12 hrs
Ryerson should lose its status as a University and go back to being a Community College if it cannot manage to hold an adult discussion on the relevant issues of the day. C Elizabeth should get an F for providing rhetoric nonsense and nothing of substance in her argument against the event.

如果连就近日的热点展开一场成年人间的讨论都做不到的话,瑞尔森也不必自称大学了,还是做社区学院吧。C Elizabeth在这一系列的抗议活动中,凭借着花言巧语和空洞的虚言,可以拿一个”F”。

Claude DeRoche · 11 hrs 
May be better to hold it in Moscow or SA (among friends).
A sword dance would be awesome.  :-)


John Edward · 9 hrs 
Ryerson has never been a university except in official nomenclature


Shawn Burstyn · U of Alberta · 12 hrs 
No problem. As long as the agenda involves anti Israel or antiesemetic rhetoric, all is well on Ryerson campus.


Mo Jones · 12 hrs 
So, alt-left fascism shuts down a perfectly legitimate discussion on free speech by intimidating our cowardly public leaders. The rule of law is dead. Fascism has already won.
Ryerson and Canada should be thoroughly ashamed of this action.


Lewis Rossman · Ottawa, Ontario · 11 hrs 
Ryerson University should be embarrassed and ashahed for caving in to the leftist fascists..Even discussing free speech is no longer acceptable if the speakers are not Right Thinking.. 1984 here we come..

瑞尔森大学应为向左派法西斯屈服而感到羞耻 ..如果演讲者没有“正确地思想”就不允许讨论言论自由……1984,我们来了……

John Edmonstone · West Hill Secondary School · 7 hrs 
1984 here we are.


Franco Prairie · Works at Self-Employed · 11 hrs 
The media and the left are virtually at war with anyone who opposes the destruction of north american values, traditions and history.
Like islamic terrorist they're resorting to bring down statutes, monuments who causes them to retrieve to safe spaces.
What will they do next, bomb to pieces entire historical buildings, like their terrorists ISIS cousins did with ancient sacred sites?
Crazy times.


Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 7 hrs 
Simple solution - Director Michael Forbes gets fired. If a person running a University cannot guarantee free speech on it's very grounds, one of the most fundamental and principal requirements of a University he is clearly useless in that role. Leaving Forbes in that position is like keeping a pilot on that can't fly. Get rid of him and put someone in who can do the job. Happens every day in the real world. Simply punt him for cause and bring in someone who can do the job. A secondary benefit, would be that I'd be willing to bet that every other University Director in the Country would up their game to the same level almost immediately

我有一个简单的解决方法,就是把校主管Michael Forbes给炒了。言论自由是大学最基本也是最重要的要求之一,一个人经营管理大学却不能保证大学的言论自由,那就是摆设,留着他就像留着一个不会飞的飞行员一样,干脆把Michael Forbes推出去顶罪了事,再换一个能干事的人来。此外还有一个好处,就是可以让加拿大其他大学的主管们引以为戒。

Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 11 hrs 
"“The seeds of fascism, that’s how they start. It starts with this ‘othering’ of people,” she said.
Yes, because nothing fights fascism like stopping any discussion on or preventing ideas and speech from seeing the light of day that don't mirror your own. And nothing exacerbates the "othering of people" quite like suggesting that those who believe in free speech are Nazi's. A perfect example of Orwells "Doublespeak" but I'd be willing to think she is either too obtuse or too uneducated to even know what it is. You don't know whether to laugh at her imbecility or cry at the fact that she apparently doesn't understand that she is the problem - totalitarianism on the rise. 70 years ago we went to war against people like Christeen Elizabeth, now they are in our Universities.

是的,因为没有人会以压制异见的做法去反法西斯主义,这是最“排斥他人”的法西斯范例,而这些人正是乔治奥维尔所说的“两面派”。但我宁愿相信她出于无知并不知道自己在做什么。最让人感到哭笑不得的是,她正是自己所抗议的“大问题”。在70年前,我们与Christeen Elizabeth这类人斗争,而现在他们却成了我们的大学同学。

Vladimir Smejkal · 9 hrs
You morons have ideas no decent human being is interested in hearing, whence the ban. Live with it old man...


John Edward · 9 hrs
Vladimir Smejkal If no one was interesting in hearing other ideas there would be no need to ban them. Live with it, child.

Vladimir Smejkal ,如果没人想听他人想法的话就无需禁止了,忍着点吧,小鬼。

Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 8 hrs
Vladimir Smejkal When you achieve the intellect and knowledge to qualify you as a decent human being, give us a call. You're a long way from it yet.

Vladimir Smejkal 当你达到人类应有的最低限度的智能和知识的时候再来联系我们,现在还差得远呢。

Cole Jones · Works at Paper Street Soap Company · 58 mins
Vladimir Smejkal ah yes, Vladimir. The other board troll. Haven't seen you in a while, where have you been? Busy with your GRU handler?

Vladimir Smejkal 好啊,又一个论坛喷子。好久不见了,到哪去啦?领你的5卢布去了吗?

Jim Patterson · 11 hrs 
.. another day of being embarrassed to say I am a Canadian!!


Vladimir Smejkal · 10 hrs
No need to be embarrassed, you're not a Canadian...


Brian Vaselenak · Fort McMurray, Alberta · 10 hrs
Vladimir Smejkal you should move back to China

Vladimir Smejkal 你早点回中国吧(译:?)

Denis Barker · 11 hrs
Although I disagree with Peterson, she should not be barred from expressing her ideas in a public forum. Her critique of politically correct gender pronouns is particularly relevant given her gender ambiguous Christian name, Jordan.


Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 8 hrs
Jordan Peterson is a male. Unconfused, evident, and outward, even dressing the part with no mental issues and recognized as one of the best minds in Canada. You should be so lucky.

Jordan Peterson可是个男性,有着清晰的头脑,有品位的穿着,还被认为是加拿大最聪明的人之一,你可没有那么幸运。

Steve White · Crusty SOB at Retired · 10 hrs
You must feel awfully stupid by now, eh?


Sandi Nickerson · 10 hrs 
Doug McLeod, Denis knows full well that Peterson is a man, he's purposely misgendering him to make a silly point, not realizing that Peterson is on record saying he would willingly address a trans man as he and a trans woman as she. People like Denis don't listen to Peterson beyond headlines and regurgitated bs so he doesn't actually grasp Petetson's point beyond what he imagines it to be.

Doug McLeod, Denis很清楚Peterson是个男人,只是故意乱用称谓来表达他的傻瓜观点。他不知道Peterson曾表示乐意用“他”和“她”来称呼变形人。像Denis这样的人看媒体新闻只会看标题,而根本不去了解实际内容,所以要对他们想象中的Peterson观点狠喷一番。

Doug McLeod · Victoria, British Columbia · 8 hrs
Sandi Nickerson I fully realise that. I intended to make that clear in my statement but perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

Sandi Nickerson ,我完全了解这一点,也许在我的发言中没表现出来。

Denis Barker · 6 hrs
Sandi Nickerson When Peterson became the face of opposition to Bill C-16, she wandered into my bailiwick. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in her academic background, her professional or personal experience to lend legitimacy to her odious position that society would be harmed by extending legal protection against discrimination and criminal hatred to transgendered Canadians. She is nothing more than a girl with an opinion, without expertise, with respect to human rights, hate crime and gender identity. For the record, I'm at least as familiar with her work as a psychologist and media slut as anyone else here.

Sandi Nickerson ,当Peterson明确表示反对C-16法案的时候,我就盯上她了。这没什么大不了的,真没什么大不了——她的学术职业背景以及丰富的履历给了她一个可恶的合法地位,让她能扩展法律,保护那些针对变性者的歧视与犯罪,进而伤害社会而已。她只不过是一个在人权、仇恨犯罪和性别认同方面缺乏见解的女孩。我跟心理学家和无良媒体一样,完全了解她干了什么。

Cole Jones · Works at Paper Street Soap Company · 57 mins
Denis Barker sigh....

Denis Barker ,唉……

Carlo Cosolo · Richmond Hill, Ontario · 11 hrs 
All I know is that I'm ashamed to say I went to Ryerson


Peter Poutine · Works at Self-Employed · 5 hrs
And I'm proud I didn't. Mind you in my day, Tyerson was as well respected as "Trump University" or Rotten Ronnie's "Hamburger U", a place to learn secretarial skills. Probably is now, as well.


Glyn Lewis · Sherwood Park, Alberta · 11 hrs 
"Ryerson University has canceled a panel discussion called “The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses” following pushback from activists who said the event was giving a platform to fascists."
If someone knows of more ironic paragraph than this one, I'd like to see it.


Eddie Sweet · Works at Retired · 11 hrs +6
Once again the lefty educational system folds to the alt-left.